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Source: https://archinect.com/forum/thread/12510/50-50-campaign-women-the-profession
I had never heard the term, "Chartered Auditor". That seems pretty low besides and then I Googled it:
"The ACA stands for â€Å"Associate Chartered Accountantâ€Â. Simply information technology might likewise stand for, â€Å"Exercise pretty much whatever chore in the world of businessâ€Â. "
In terms of architecture, I don't think it's a lost cause. I've been in this profession for just 9 years and feel as though I work with women more and more all the time. There is definately potential for change.
January 8, 05 ten:29 pm ·
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January 8, 05 11:03 pm ·
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This is a tough discipline. Information technology's hard for me to believe there actually are so few women in the field, as my schooling was all 50-50 and my student ratios over the last few years have too been shut to l-50. I work in a house that until very recently has e'er been at least 50-fifty (and a high minority ratio, too. White males were definitely the minority in our office for awhile!). Then I look at the list of partners in a huge firm in our town and see that out of 46 partners, merely two are female person, both in interiors. Wow.
Only I tin can't help but feel that this must be a similar situation in other professional fields. I don't encounter how the types of "basic working practices" mentioned above wouldn't benefit professional women in any field, I'm not sure there are whatsoever changes spedific to architecture.
And farther, the types of cchanges I think are important for WOMEN are basically of import to PARENTS: family unit-friendly policies like flex time, proficient wellness insurance, no weekend work, etc.
But let's face information technology, when people take kids, it tends to exist the mom who loses track of her career path for awhile. At least in architecture the engineering science changes slowly enough that a few years of not practicing wouldn't leave y'all unable to get support to speed upon coming dorsum to the role.
Jan eight, 05 11:10 pm ·
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I've gotta agree with Liberty. Of all the firms I've even visited, women have held much more than than a meager 14% or fifty-fifty 20% role. My electric current employer has even promoted women for the sole reason of their gender.
What gets me is that nosotros as architects feel some need to "diversify" our profession. I have no problem with women or minorities in the profession, just permit everyone stand on their own because of merit. I have never worked for an employer who would laissez passer over a better employee considering that person was a adult female or minority.
As long equally nosotros are on this topic we can always talk nearly why I get less of a bonus or raise because I'm not married or accept children. I don't doubt bigotry in many compages firms but in that location are as as many or more than that do not. I don't see whatever reason why a woman cannot excel in compages. We have bigger issues to tackle than worry about making sure there is a 50/50 representation by gender in architecture.
Jan 9, 05 12:27 am ·
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While it may be precedent for women to lose rails of their career when raising a family unit, I believe that too is irresolute. In the u.thou. anyway, the graph in a higher place indicates that 45.9% of the working population are women. I have more and more friends and family unit that are stay at home dads. I buddy of mine stayed home with his daughter and got his license at the aforementioned time. Given the opportunity, most men I know would gladly stay home with their kid. The bigger issue may exist disparity in pay---it makes sense for a one income household to take the larger paycheck coming in.
I've gotton less of a raise too because I didn't have family and was told such by my boss when I asked why. I've also been told to hire women "because they work harder." Discrimination exists in all walks of life. I can't think of any good reason explaining why the female architect percent is so low. Maybe that link from TED on why women exit the profession has some clues.
What are our "bigger issues to tackle"? That sounds interesting.
what is with yous people proverb that you don't really feel in that location are fewer women in the profession? just because you lot personally accept experienced work environments that are gender counterbalanced does not mean that information technology is so everywhere.
i wont exist getting that bonus either considering i come across how information technology would be possible to have children, heighten them, and proceed my career.
Jan 9, 05 12:00 pm ·
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i reall wish archinect had a post editing function....
Jan 9, 05 12:01 pm ·
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surprise! surprise! architecture is the rich peoples country society? how shocking!
its really non an isssue about being a human being or woman or minority or majority. rather its nearly people who practice not have the financial resources to atmospheric condition the storm that is Architecture. In the picture in the first mail, David Adjaye may be a blackness human but he is for sure NOT a broke black man. Etnicity and economic (dis)advantage are not related. Until people realize this disquisitional didtinction nosotros will exist wasting efforts going after the wrong trouble.
Architects become into debt when they go to school, they become paid some $25-50,000, are asked to work late and on weekends, dont go childcare back up at their firms, they barely get decent insurance for themselves much less their families...so is information technology whatsoever wonder that information technology would be a diffcult profession for someone with a kid or a non-trust-fund-having person?
so the biggest issue to takle is how do you make this profession more economically feasible for the economically disadvantaged? The medical profession and the Clan of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) has some interresting solutions that accept an early and proactive role to remedy the state of affairs.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1136813
meanwhile the AIA is still spending $200,000 worth of money (or 5 4-yr scholarships) researching IF a trouble even exist and "number crunching" (they are doing another study-see sept 04 arch tape or story below) and passing out self referential awards.
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AIA to Launch New Diversity Initiative
September 1, 2004
New York-based builder Terrence O’Neal, AIA, has a successful exercise, an office overlooking Marriage Square, and many friends in the concern. Only he thinks something is very incorrect with the profession he loves.
â€Å"In terms of diverseness, the AIA is most 20 years backside the curve,†says O’Neal, who contributed to a resolution, proposed in June and ratified by the AIA board in September, to assist improve poor diversity figures in the notoriously homogenous profession.
The resolution takes a footstep beyond traditional measures similar scholarships, internships and conferences, resorting instead to number crunching. The AIA (with the help of a consultant) hopes to obtain much-needed figures about minority and female person access to the profession, helping paint a clearer picture show of why so few of these groups enter and stay in architecture, also laying the groundwork for futurity changes.
â€Å"We need to find out what these bug are,†says Elisabeth Casqueiro, Managing Director of Alliances at the AIA, who points to depression salaries and long-continuing biases as reasons for architecture’south variety gap , but concedes causes for the issue remain largely a mystery. Outside of cursory information obtained from its Firm Survey- which shows ane% minority membership and xi% female membership- the AIA’s knowledge virtually minority representation is â€Å"remarkably scarce,†according to the resolution, and to several AIA officials, while â€Å"the data we have is disconnected and incomplete,†says Ted Landsmark, AIA, caput of the AIA Diversity Committee. Meanwhile long-used methods like scholarships seem to have made little headway in reversing the situation, which is very similar to what information technology was 30 years agone.
The chosen house will besides carry out focus groups to supplement hard numbers with stories, it will explore models in other professions like police and medicine, and compare data with architectural organizations such as the American Collegiate Schools of Compages (ACSA), the National Collegiate Accreditation Board (NCARB), the National Accrediation board (NAB), and the National System of Minority Architects (NOMA). Officials say up to $200,000 could exist slated for the project.
Sam Lubell
January nine, 05 12:14 pm ·
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and i forget to say @#?! the AIA and NCARB. The ii biggest usurious, asunder and irrelevant professional organizations always to exist.
those @#?!s charge young architects thousands of dollars to sign up for and have registration tests, sell interns $seventy necessary report books, and so charge people some $500-700 anually to exist role of the AIA! they too take that money and waste information technology on bankrupt spider web ventures and alcohol.
those illegitimate sons of female dogs!
Jan 9, 05 12:41 pm ·
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I'm non certain I see what the Big Bargain is with the BD article. If someone is being promoted on their merit, fine. Obviously, outright discrimination should exist dealt with, and there are employment tribunals etc, to deal with this. But what is the problem? i've never heard the Nursing profession bemoaning the lack of men in the nursing workplace. And so what if there are more than men in compages than women. At the moment, in that location are more than female medical students than men at many universities. Is this possitive or negative state of affairs?
allow me approximate dolemite-y'all are neither a minority or woman and you accept a trust fund? its backwater views similar yours and a refusal to admit reality, much less face up it that take propagated the trouble.
Having more than female/ minority medical students than men at many universities did not casually happen overnight.
WAKE UP!
The economic and family arguments made higher up are strong, and probably account for the reason we encounter fewer women in practise. I'd like to bring up a somewhat unlike bending, one that is sure to piss a lot a people off. However, I feel like we ought to exist brave plenty to accept a frank discussion.
Whether it is nature or nurture, it is a fairly obvious fact that women and men think and behave quite differently, and to contend that this does not carry over into the fields of compages and design would be remiss. The quondam cliche is that men are more "spatially" intelligent and that women are more "socially" intelligent. There are plenty of exceptions, granted.
Boys grow up playing with legos, building forts, playing video games (pre-CAD training), hot-rodding cars, etc., etc... Women abound up with a dissimilar set up of experiences, to put it lightly. The experiences that boys have growing up prepare them for being an builder in a mode that girls can't quite make upwards for, no thing how many hours of form-Z tutorials or structure seminars they nourish.
In practice, women and men brand very different still equally relevent contributions to the design team IMHO. Women, in my experience, are natural organizers, and tend to advance design ideas in a sensitive, consensus-seeking way. Men, on the other hand, are more likely to skip the organizational step and accelerate design ideas independantly and without consensus, but perhaps in the finish with more resolution.
At that place is a lot more to say, but I'll leave it at that for now.
In that location volition never be every bit many women in the profession every bit men, pitiful. Many women want to have children and offset families and that takes time away from the career. Its neither good or bad. Its biology. I wish in that location were more women in architecture.
Noone should ever be hired or promoted for diversity's sake. I gauge I value merit and piece of work ethic over diversity. I promise that doesn't make me a bigot.
yous dont get it, do you?
THe outcome is not one of purely affirmative action, merely an result of where have all the women gone. Whay is it 50/50 in schoolhouse and fourscore/xx in practice. And dont give me that "merit and ethic over diversity" bullshit; women are equally hardworking and capable equally men in school and then why wouldnt they be in offices. So, yes, you are a bigot.
Secondly, this whole crap about women want to have children and outset families thing. That is a human desire that happens in other professions too, why would information technology suddenly be an issue for women in architecture? Why?
"It matters that from the first twelvemonth of university onwards, the number of women in the profession declines steadily as their careers progress  or neglect to. It matters that the reasons they requite for quitting are not almost the nature of the work but nearly the nature of the workplace."
Peradventure it is because the workplace is full of men like yous that claim the reason is "biology not bigotry.
(the ironic things is that all of you readers will probably think that this has to be the voice of a woman. wrong.)
the whole structure industry, architects, engineers, contractors, etc. are primarily male-dominated fields. most of the people architects communicate with are men. and i don't actually know if i desire to become involved in an argument over how men and women communicate, but, i think there is something to that.
i mean, i know that i am a piddly intern and don't get a whole lot of respect as it is, but a lot of the time i feel like i have to be hyper-ambitious to exist taken as seriously as my male person counterparts. and maybe information technology is just some sort of insecurity that i need to go over, but shit man, i just want to exist treated like the dudes. i want to be able to communicate similar men do. i don't want to hit some sort of glass ceiling. but i don't desire to exist idea of as a bitch, and i am not going to quietly sit down around if i don't feel like i am getting the aforementioned experiences that the men are who are at my same level.
is there anyone else who can chronicle to this or practise i just have issues?
"Bigger issues?" I wish the AIA would spend more coin figuring out how to rectify the fact that some incredibly meager number - similar ii% - of the built environment in the US is architected. In the face of condign an irrelevant profession, I'1000 far less concerned nearly the makeup of the people in it.
stephanie, frankly, a lot of your experience will change as you lot get older. (I assume you're a recently out of school intern.) In addition to both having more cognition and being more confident in it, when you hit your mid-30's, men in the profession will realize you've been effectually awhile and aren't only doing information technology because information technology'due south fun.
Yes, women and men communicate differently, and aye, women and men arroyo design from dissimilar backgrounds - this is often the instance, though not always. But I think architecture is ingrained in a lot of us - male or female person - from an early age: shanec, I spent my babyhood building an adobe fort, digging networks of tunnels in piles of dirt for horny toads to run through, and designing houses in the tall weeds for my Barbies. I tested high in spatial cognizance in 8th form. There is aught in my formative upbrining that I have to "brand up for" to part in a male-dominated field, because I share a like mode of analyzing the world as anyone in the profession.
lifeform's quote is right on - the issue isn't the work, it's the workplace.
hmmm. liberty bell.....
practise men in your office too hold back and take this enlightingment in their mid 30's that 'they have been around awhile and arent doing it for fun'....or is that a another silly girly affair?
golly. i promise you lot didnt write what you mean.
Jan 9, 05 10:52 pm ·
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lifeform-
Easy killer. I admire the work of women in our field and I hold women are as hardworking and capable as men. I didn't say otherwise. Yous don't need to be then defensive. No need for name calling. I was making an honest observation.
Secondly, its not crap, its a fact. You lot stated information technology improve. It is a homo desire, and it doesn't affect just architecture. three of the 5 50/50 Charter points attempt to address this(run into below). Information technology affects all professions that require the corporeality of time and training architecture does.
I don't believe that is the only reason in that location aren't as many women in offices. They may just exist too smart to stay in this profession. The workplace is miserable, I can't blame them. I only believe there are other factors outside of bigotry that are playing a part in lack of women. Perhaps more chat and less proper name calling is in gild.
I support the 50/50 Charter 100%.
" The fifty/50 Lease
My exercise pledges
To recruit, promote, pay and allocate work according to experience and ability alone.
To set out maternity and paternity rights in a written contract for every worker and strive to get across the statutory minimum.
To offer flexible working to all employees and retraining for returning parents.
To challenge the long hours civilisation and monitor working time.
To appoint a do champion to promote and monitor the charter."
I simply don't similar the idea of quotas, that is why I was preaching merit over percentages. The women that have stayed in the profession are doing the best work (Kazuyo Sejima, Hadid, Liz Diller, Billy Tsien). Maybe fostering and promoting the work of talented young female architects would help. Im thinking an almanac Women in Architecture issue of Architectural Record. It could begin to generate awareness of the important piece of work being done by women.
Past the way, 2.819 million men and 339,000 women in architecture and engineering occupations in the Us.
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea19.txt
Jan nine, 05 11:01 pm ·
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i hold with liberty that there is no standard upbringing for 'an Architect,' that guarantees that yous will exist a stellar architect or more successful in the field. I too spent many hours 'designing' houses with dominoes, playing with legos, and had plenty of barbie time.
But if your childhood environs determines your success in a profession, or an affinity for a field, then could someone explain why I've studied architecture, art history, and urbanism later growing up on a farm? far from an art museum, or the suburban/urban dichotomy, or so much every bit a frank lloyd wright house. so shanec, your idea well-nigh the way little boys & girls play making them better or worse architects doesn't really add upward.
Jan 9, 05 11:30 pm ·
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suture,
I am in fact a visible minority, practice not have a trust fund, merely am male. Which essentially excludes me from only about every "advancement" program on the face of the planet. I would, withal, be incensed if i was promoted ahead of my peers on the basis of my genetic make up, and non my ability. Every bit i would also be infuriated if i was held dorsum for the same reasons.
Jan 10, 05 8:42 am ·
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I think Freedom striking the blast on the head well-nigh some of the bigger problems. Would too say the AIA & NCARB could amend spend their time dealing with their own ineffectiveness.
I do have sympathy for what Stephanie will has gone through. While I don't see a problem with diversity in architecture - I do come across it in construction. Often when on a chore site I hear the "bitch" word ofttimes - usually referring to a female person architect or client. That is uncalled for and needs to change. I do think it would assistance females in the profession to go out on site and throw some cursing right back their style. Some good "communication" always helps.
That said I call up age discrimination exsists for both women and men. Many times contractors and clients feel I'm inexperienced given my age. When doing a edifice survey they were more apt to talk w/my cad tech 15ys my senior, even though he wasn't the designer at all.
Jan 10, 05 8:48 am ·
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What a timely mail service. I just picked upward a book at the library called "Creating a Life." I am only half fashion finished with only so far it addresses this effect in the business organisation globe as a whole. It is written for young (20-ish) women and discusses, essentially the choice that women have to brand to be ultra-successful in a career or in family unit. Information technology seems to me that a woman that has the drive and intelligence to be a great architect, or any other championship, would be also be strongly aware of the complexities of maternity and want to strive for perfection in that profession as well. Many women in all professions postpone family life for this reason, that they don't desire to do maternity one-half-heartedly (and shouldn't as it is an extremely important societal part), and then they either drop out to pursue that or postpone parenting until it is to late, biologically.
The book I mentioned claims that pursuing both, every bit many people would like to do, is more difficult in the US and United kingdom of great britain and northern ireland than in other western countries because of a lack of social concern for assist in childcare, flex-time, etc. Within the profession the trouble is that understandably the pocket-size firms that nearly of us work for just tin can't feasibly provide us with the benefits that other professions take for granted (for me personally the big thing is wellness intendance) and at the same time in that location all the same remains the firmly entrenched thought that a good builder must work overtime and that nothing should be more important than our career.
Pattern IS important, but that is different than the "chore" part of information technology.
January x, 05 ix:09 am ·
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This postal service is entierly sexist and reinforcing negative solutions to perceived issues. l/50 is a half-baked idea with numerous issues. fifty-fifty is the problem really exists, their "solution" is equally if not more problematic.
Jan x, 05 9:41 am ·
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TED, I doubtable y'all misread me, or I wasn't clear. What I said, or tried to, is that the female architect in her mid 30's who shows up on a task site will command more respect from contractors than will the one in her 20's, because the contractor will recollect she has more feel and has stuck information technology out long enough in the field to know what she's talking virtually. This is equally truthful for males, really.
And, a mid-thirty's builder does have more confidence in his/her experience and knowledge, and this is apparent to others, which likewise commands more respect.
I take put in my time in the trenches as a youngster, and as a mid-career architect I take far fewer problematic interactions with contractors than I did as a cute 20-something.
My communication to stephanie is to attempt to hang in there and then you can reap the rewards afterward. I realize that doesn't really help now, but it might make you lot feel more optimistic.
Jan 10, 05 eleven:05 am ·
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Or put it this manner - the incredibly brilliant and talented only boyish-looking guy in our part had to abound a bristles to become contractors to take him more seriously.
Jan 10, 05 11:08 am ·
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I'm growing a beard. If I testify up on site looking similar ZZ Top that'll command some respect.
Jan 10, 05 xi:18 am ·
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2 women that were huge inspirations to me in my schooling and practice >>
marion weiss: a studio prof of mine, she showed me how much i could reach on my ain.
paulett taggart: while working for her, she showed me how to run a small business.
my comments are in a higher place and beyond the enormous amount that they thought me near blueprint. i am forever grateful to them.
Jan 10, 05 11:48 am ·
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My school's student architecture clan arranged a women in architecture give-and-take panel a few years ago. Information technology contained all the female faculty and all the wives of the male faculty that were architects. The total was a 5. It was pathetic. Most of the questions geared towards them were balancing family and work (posed by graduate students who were starting families). I professor asked us THIS question.
Women take been in architecture school for a while at present, so why aren't those numbers being reflected in the workforce?
I besides went to a school where there were more women in studio than men (I think my form was the last 50/l form).
I am working at a large business firm at present, and there are quite a few women here, only not 50%. As well, the principals are almost all men (I think ane woman who is in the fiscal administrator not an architect is a main). What struck me more than than the lack of women, is the lack of minorities. There are quite a few Asians (the city is xx% Asian), but minorities make up less than 20 of the 200 people in the office (architects and non-architects).
It is not merely architecture. When I was in schoolhouse, I would complain to my roommate about how there were only 3 female person kinesthesia members, and you had the possiblity of never taking classes from 2 of them. She would tell me that she was ane of the iii women in her section (Civil Engineering).
Jan x, 05 1:42 pm ·
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So sahar and others...What are you personally going to practice? Bated from the unavoidable boneheads I haven't run into a lot of men who call up women are incapable of leading the field, and then that isn't the trouble. (I am open up to the idea that I am wrong with this supposition). Is there an up and coming group of women who plan to assume main positions, especcially in larger firms. And by this I mean, do you lot have specific plans on how to get there, especcially how does having children, or not, fit in? Like it or not this is one of the major challenges and decisions facing women.
Jan 10, 05 two:14 pm ·
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Museschild writes: "so shanec, your idea about the way trivial boys & girls play making them amend or worse architects doesn't really add upwardly."
Heed, the biggest barrier to prejudice these days has got to be the whole PC veil we put over things that threaten our social condition-quo.
My Straight experience has shaped my ain view of the sexual activity-split in compages. Yous tin can't actually fence with my feel, simply every bit I tin't argue with yours... and I'm not trying to. Throughout grad school and in my work experience I accept spent endless hours walking people through the specific mechanics of construction, CAD, modeling and rendering, even Printing for gosh sakes. Guys tend to figure it out for themselves, girls tend to either avoid the issues entirely (3D modeling is a big one) or rely on their male colleagues to make full that office.
WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH ME. We all fill different roles in this profession, and at that place are PLENTY of things I am no good at and am More than happy to rely on my teamates for. System and concensus being two big ones!
As I said, these are not "opinions" I'm expressing, these are experiences. Perchance the balance of the architecture world is 180degrees different from my experiences, just the best I can practice is operate on the knowledge that I practise take, and get from there.
ANd YES, I am SURE that at that place are a salubrious spread of tomboys (even hot, smart, feminine ones) out at that place are MUCH more than capable than I at the tasks I've listed, but it would be really lame if those people actually would have us believe that they were the majority.
January 10, 05 2:31 pm ·
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I’m non interested in sitting effectually discussing gender issues with a agglomeration of dudes (that’s part of the trouble) especially dudes as clueless as Shanec. However, instead of using the excuse that â€Å"women†aren’t interested in the â€Å"important†problems (reckoner modeling? Important?) in architecture we could practise a bit of realizing that a lot of what gets looked as of import or interesting in compages at the moment is pretty specific to the interests of a modest segment of the male population. Specifically insecure, sexually repressed, video game geeks. When these people get threatened by things similar critical theory (which brings in academic civilisation which is much more than various) or discourses well-nigh the body or even materiality or perception this gets declared â€Å"over†or â€Å"irrelevant†and replaced with MathCAD and â€Å"surfacesâ€Â. If you want a â€Å"practical†instance, there are a lot more women (fifty-fifty hot, smart, feminine ones) in interiors and interiors make a lot more money than architects and, while they may not go the same respect this is a pretty large index of their relation to what people really desire in their environment, ditto, graphic design or media or whatever.
The more pointless and self indulgent and escapist our profession becomes the more than it volition become the province of neurotic losers with ego issues and the less appealing it will be to anyone trying to issue real change in the world.
Have fun fixing the plotter dude.
January 10, 05 3:02 pm ·
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"Guys tend to figure it out for themselves, girls tend to either avoid the issues entirely" ha ha
my personal feel most differences between guys and gals: guys tend to pretend to know all the answers even when they don't have a clue. They call this "confidence"
women lack "conviction"
- it'south what makes usa good listeners and disquisitional thinkers, we are observant and intuitive.
architecture is a profession requiring savvy - bold a lot of stuff without really knowing for sure and balancing a complex problem with many unknowns without also much problem. guys are skilful at this. architecture is as well nigh finesse - an investigation into to the proper organization and attitude of spaces. women tend to exist good at this.
ever notice how the one up and coming "minority" in pattern is the gay man - all-time of both worlds? coincidence? or the effeminant man?
Has the profession not prepare itself upwardly over the years to recognize this typically male person feature "confidence" and regard it higher than whatsoever other skill including pattern, blueprint communication, and project management?
January 10, 05 3:34 pm ·
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From my experiences, I totally hold there are not enough women in the firms I worked for, mostly small firms 10-xxx people. And all the bosses except 1 who is an Interior designer are men. Even more strange, there are inappreciably any women I worked with accept children. They are either married too belatedly, or divorced. Going to have a child myself, I'm quite concerned about my career. I don't have people to describe experiences from or wait up as well. I don't think women are not equally capable equally men in the field in any sense.
I retrieve lack of women in architecture field and whatever other professional person field is related to lack of social support in childcare and family. I heard school dismissed at iii:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon, what a professional women suppose to practise? To go out work and pick their children then? Things got even worse with architects because financially disadvantages. I remember maybe all the professional person woman should organize to need more support from the club, paid motherhood leave, more flexible time, and more supportive daycare and school, which will match the work hours.
Jan x, 05 4:04 pm ·
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calculation to my to a higher place mail service.
"confidence" in women is chosen "bitch"
Jan ten, 05 iv:thirteen pm ·
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newstreamlinedmodel writes:
"If you lot want a â€Å"practical†example, there are a lot more women (even hot, smart, feminine ones) in interiors and interiors make a lot more than coin than architects and, while they may non get the same respect this is a pretty big alphabetize of their relation to what people really desire in their environment, ditto, graphic design or media or whatsoever.
The more pointless and self indulgent and escapist our profession becomes the more than it will get the province of neurotic losers with ego issues and the less appealing it will be to anyone trying to effect existent alter in the world.
Have fun fixing the plotter dude."
Um, you lot talk like somebody who's still in junior loftier. "hey lets all change the earth". Whoa. Easy there.
First of all, pretty funny. Secondly, YES! You lot hit the smash on the head. Really making compages is heavily involved in the "making shit" and "putting stuff together" categories of fourth dimension investment... and these don't involve "disquisitional theory". YES! There are more women in interiors and graphics and YES they brand more money!!! THATS Keen! Putting skills and interest together to do something that is fun and profitable!
But the question was why there were so few women practicing in architecture and I have attemped to give y'all all MY Ain PERSONAL experience as prove.
I mean COME ON... who will actually have the cahones to acknowledge that BUILDING/MAKING SHIT is more bonny to guys than for girls??? Lets run into the large moving picture here folks, compages school is real "arty" but when y'all get into the field its much more basics and bolts stuff, and those that have no involvement in doing that kind of work tend to drib off. Hence the difference betwixt women in school and women in practice. Sure there are lots of other issues that cistron into it only Come ON... lets call a equus caballus a horse here.
I'm trying to affluent out a larger argument hither by existence a bit extreme, of COURSE at that place are women in this profession that I await upwardly to and respect, and of Course in that location are women colleages that I have a lot of respect and admiration for... but the kickoff pace that nobody seems to want to have is to ACCEPT that men and women are VERY DIFFERENT and that those DIFFERENCES impact their professional lives.
So tell me, and so. Why do Y'all retrieve there are fewer women then men in our profession?
Is the "man" keeping y'all downward somehow? Is it baby-making? Or is it, equally you lot've stated, a GOOD thing that there are fewer women because the architecture earth sucks anyhow?
How fucking hard is information technology to admit that chicks and dudes think different!!!! Damn, besides much PC bullshit in some of our veins.
Jan 10, 05 5:05 pm ·
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strawbeary, I couldn't concord more with your comments most confidence/arrogance. I had deleted a former comment earlier posting considering I couldn't explain this correctly, but you nailed it. the biggest thing I struggle with as a young architect is knowing when to enquire questions, when non to enquire questions, who to enquire, and trying to figure out whether I'm an idiot or just someone with just a year of feel.
I don't think that is uncommon for someone my historic period. I do think, in this item case, that many men will accept the advantage over women in that ~generally~, boys don't take it drilled into their pigtailed heads to be pocket-sized, self-deprecating, polite, cute, sweet, and dainty, as are girls; which ~generally~ leads to women who have learned to compromise and exist diplomatic. I practice think that this confidence which men tend to display is of import and valuable, and I am learning a lot from my male person coworkers on this end (ie, how to bullshit); only men may have a lot to learn from women almost being diplomatic and subtle and non shooting off at the oral cavity. tin be a benefit in terms of client retention.
Regarding shanec'due south very valid signal of one's experience shading one'due south opinion, my feel in school was this: seven women, 23 men in my graduating form, summit 3 students were female. my current office has a male majority within the compages section, only is owned by a adult female and that seems to set a positive tone throughout the office in terms of gender, in that information technology doesn't become an consequence. i don't know what the policies for maternity/paternity go out are off the top of my head, but since the principals have small children there is generally a family unit-friendly temper. schedules are too very flexible, enabling one father to come in at seven:00 and leave at 4:00 to exist with his kids.
Jan 10, 05 5:09 pm ·
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Oh, another affair I've observed:
Chicks Honey to draw curvy shit in plans merely and then have NO idea how do build it.
January 10, 05 5:09 pm ·
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Great mail service, strawbeary. Confidence and determinism in women is near always labelled bitchiness.
We recently had a consultant who was selected by the client tell the client he thought our drawing set was inadequate and full of holes. This would have been true if he had actually been reviewing a CD set rather than a DD set - he didn't realize his mistake. I told our in-house team - NOT the client or anyone else - "I think X is merely beingness a bowwow". The ensuing (more often than not) good-humored clamor well-nigh me using that term for a human nearly batty the entire meeting.
I think women demand to "take dorsum" the discussion bowwow past applying it to men when they are, really, just existence bitchy. As it is now, men use it to describe women whenevr nosotros do pretty much annihilation.
Jan x, 05 5:fourteen pm ·
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indeed, liberty. oh shanec, i accept worked for a couple of men who draw curvy shit with out a inkling either. it goes both ways. ignorance is non gender specific.
Jan 10, 05 5:21 pm ·
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"oh shanec, i have worked for a couple of men who describe curvy shit with out a inkling either. it goes both means. ignorance is not gender specific."
You are very correct. My annotate was, sadly, merely meant to get a rise out of people.
Jan x, 05 5:27 pm ·
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Female architects should all don this fasion statement and outset a revolution.
Jan ten, 05 v:31 pm ·
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"the biggest thing I struggle with as a young builder is knowing when to enquire questions, when not to inquire questions, who to ask, and trying to figure out whether I'm an idiot or just someone with simply a year of experience."
yeh- i struggle with that too after three years still. all the male architects hate it when I enquire questions. why? crusade they don't know the answers to my questions and they have to make up an answer.
January ten, 05 v:32 pm ·
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"ever detect how the one up and coming "minority" in design is the gay human being - best of both worlds? coincidence? or the effeminant human being?
Has the profession not set up itself upwardly over the years to recognize this typically male feature "confidence" and regard it higher than any other skill including pattern, design communication, and projection management?"
Right on. My mom always said she idea information technology would be a slap-up career move if I were to be gay. She was joking simply she was right.
One other thing that I haven't mentioned yet is this: Women make amend managers. The female person project managers that I accept met accept ROCKED. And so there you lot go, I want a female dominate. The bitchier the improve =).
January ten, 05 five:32 pm ·
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manner
Jan ten, 05 5:33 pm ·
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women make better communicators
Jan 10, 05 5:34 pm ·
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strawbeary, your description is very similar to my own experience. i happily bring together the applause!
liberty bell, that is such a neat idea!
can we starting time with the obvious instance?
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Jan 10, 05 v:43 pm ·
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